QUESTIONS ABOUT 7135 RAID SYSTEM SPACE AVAILABLE

ITEM: RTA000034955



QUESTION:                                                                       
I'm responding to an RFP requiring two machines, one with 20GB                  
of user file storage space and one with 10GB of user file storage               
space.  The standard disk in the RS/6000s being proposed will handle AIX        
and we want to bid 7135 RAID subsystems for the 20GB and 10GB of user           
space.  The RFP stipulates that the 20 and 10 GB should be usable space         
not including file pointers (which I take to mean inodes) and any other         
"preallocation of file space".  I have configured the 7135s as follows:         
                                                                                
20GB system: 2 banks of 5*2GB drives  = 16.0 GB data space                      
             1 bank of 5*1.3GB drives =  5.2 GB data space                      
Non RAID parity space available:        21.2 GB                                 
If they use JFS, I would allow 3% for inodes yielding 20.5 GB of space          
available for user data.                                                        
                                                                               
10GB system: 2 banks of 5*1.3GB drives  = 10.4 GB data space                    
Non RAID parity space available:          10.4 GB                               
If they use JFS, I would allow 3% for inodes yielding 10.09 GB of space         
available for user data.                                                        
                                                                                
1) Is this a good scenario for the specified disk requests at the               
lowest cost using 7135 RAID?                                                    
2) Also, how many bytes are actually available on the 1.3 and 2.0 GB            
drives used in the 7135 and are those numbers based on                          
software GB (1GB = 1,073,741,824 bytes) or typical disk GB                      
(1GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes)?                                                    
                                                                                
3) If the disks are formatted using 4MB partitions in a jfs, how many           
PP's are available for the 2GB drive and the 1.3GB drive in a 7135?             
                                                                               
4) If the customer sets up the 7135 to be accessed in RAW mode by               
a database, are there any general rules of thumb regarding space                
required for pointers                                                           
(the database has not been chosen yet so comments related                       
to any major database like Oracle, Sybase, or Informix would be fine)?          
                                                                                
5) Is there anything in AIX that would require us to respond to the             
following question: "Offerors requiring preallocation of file space             
should so state, provide an estimate of waste space thus created,               
and propose adequate storage to compensate for this loss"?                      
                                                                                
6) I understand that the maximum transfer rate for the adapter is               
10MB per second,  but what is the expected average transfer rate for            
a relational database and what assumptions should be stated (like               
RAID-5, blocksize=xxx etc.)?  If we attach a second controller to the          
7135, when dual active controller configurations are supported in 1994,         
I assume that each controller will be able to transfer at a maximum             
of 10MB/sec and at the same average rate specified as a response to the         
prior sentence.  Is this correct?                                               
                                                                                
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A: I'm responding to an RFP requiring two machines, one with 20GB               
of user file storage space and one with 10GB of user file storage               
space.  The standard disk in the RS/6000s being proposed will handle            
AIX and we want to bid 7135 RAID subsystems for the 20GB and 10GB of            
user space.  The RFP stipulates that the 20 and 10 GB should be usable          
space not including file pointers. I have configured the 7135s as               
follows:                                                                        
                                                                                
20GB system: 2 banks of 5*2GB drives  = 16.0 GB data space                     
             1 bank of 5*1.3GB drives =  5.2 GB data space                      
 Non RAID parity space available:        21.2 GB                                
If they use JFS, how much space would would be used for inodes                  
after  filesystem creation,  hiw much space will we have for                    
available for user data.                                                        
                                                                                
>>>> Answer                                                                     
jfs will use 3% for pre-allocation, the rest is usable.                         
The disk capacity is in powers of 10 (as stated in the Announcement             
letters) and not in powers of 2. According to this, you will have               
20.6 and 10.01 gigabytes, which puts you within spec.                           
                                                                                
1) Is this a good scenario for the specified disk requests at the               
   lowest cost using 7135 RAID?                                                 
                                                                               
>>>> Answer                                                                     
                                                                                
I'm assuming that you are considering Model 110.                                
The announcement 193-195 has the following prices:                              
                                                                                
           Three 1.3GB Disk Drive Modules,                                      
             First Bank of Disks Completion       271$ 15,600       $ 69        
           Five 2.0GB Disk Drive Modules,                                       
             First Bank of Disks Select           2723 24,600         79        
          Five 1.3GB Disk Drive Modules,                                        
             Full Bank of Disks                   2715 26,000        115        
           Five 2.0GB Disk Drive Modules,                                       
             Full Bank of Disks                   2725 35,000        125        
           Additional Array Controller            3050 13,150         80        
           Disk Drive Expansion Unit              4000  9,250         20       
           Selectable codes available with the 7132 Model REP                   
            1.3GB Replacement                                                   
             Disk Drive Module                    2716  5,305          0        
            2.0GB Replacement                                                   
             Disk Drive Module                    2726  7,105          0        
                                                                                
  Even though it's not very clear, it appears that the unit price for           
a 2GB  disk is less than a 1.3GB diską  I would not use the                     
1.3GB at all, not knowing other discounts which maybe applicable.               
Consider the following comment:                                                 
       #2723 is an additional cost to put 2 GB drives in the first              
       rank.  #2725 should be used to calculate the cost of 5x2 GB              
       drives; #2715 should be used to calculate the cost of 5x1.3              
       GB drives.  Thus the 1.3GB drives are $5.2K/drive or $4K/GB;             
       the 2GB drives are $7K/drive or $3.5K/GB.                               
                                                                                
 2) Also, how many bytes are actually available on the 1.3 and 2.0 GB           
   drives used in the 7135 and are those numbers based on software GB           
   (1GB = 1,073,741,824 bytes) or typical disk GB(1GB=1,000,000,000             
   bytes)?                                                                      
                                                                                
 >>>> Answer                                                                    
                                                                                
  Provided above.                                                               
                                                                                
 3) If the disks are formatted using 4MB partitions in a jfs, how many          
 PP's are available for the 2GB drive and the 1.3GB drive in a 7135?            
                                                                                
 >>>> Answer                                                                    
                                                                               
The partition size comes in powers of 2.  So, a 4MB partition is 2**22          
which equals 4,194,304 bytes.  This yields 238+ partitions, according           
to my arithmetic.  Do the same for the 1.3GB.                                   
                                                                                
4) If the customer sets up the 7135 to be accessed in RAW mode by               
a database, are there any general rules of thumb regarding space                
required for pointers.                                                          
                                                                                
>>>> Answer                                                                     
                                                                                
  No. The application (or user) defines those.                                  
                                                                                
 5) Is there anything in AIX that would require us to respond to the            
following question: "Offerors requiring preallocation of file space             
should so state, provide an estimate of waste space thus created,              
and propose adequate storage to compensate for this loss"?                      
                                                                                
>>>> Answer                                                                     
                                                                                
I only know of the 3% indicated above for the inodes and also the               
fractional partitions, which of course depend on how large they are             
defined.  For a 4MB partition size, 4MB - 1 is the largest "waste"              
space that could be added to the inode space.                                   
                                                                                
 6) I understand that the maximum transfer rate for the adapter is              
10MB per second,  but what is the expected average transfer rate for            
a relational database and what assumptions should be stated (like               
RAID-5, blocksize=xxx etc.)?  If we attach a second controller to the           
7135, when dual active controller configurations are supported in 1994,         
I assume that each controller will be able to transfer at a maximum            
of 10BM/sec and at the same average rate specified as a response to the         
prior sentence.  Is this correct?                                               
                                                                                
 >>>> Answer                                                                    
                                                                                
No performance measurements are yet available on the dual controller            
configuration.                                                                  
                                                                                
     Alos,we don't have complete performance data but we have measured          
      RAID 5 performance at about 380-390 ops/sec for random 4K                 
      reads and writes with 75% reads.  It doesn't make sense to                
      talk about throughput for applications with small accesses                
      (such as 4K) since you'll be bound more by operations per                 
       second than by throughput.  To get high throughput, you                  
      need large sequential accesses, such as in technical                     
       applications.                                                            
                                                                                
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This item was created from library item Q643144      CLDJS                      
                                                                                
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